[Oz-mooney] Incident Report

[Tim Hamilton]

He would of been very interesting to talk to.

>From my recollection the captain of the Viscount 800 elected to limp into 
Winton/Longreach and not put it down on pretty flat terrain. Bad call !!

The main spar buckled and tore off the fuselage. Macarthur Jobe has a really 
detailed account in one of his crash disaster books. VERY Interesting 
reading.

Well Done !! Steve.

T i m.



>From: "Steve Skinner" <steve at teamtaxitrucks.com.au>
>Reply-To: steve at teamtaxitrucks.com.au,Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation 
>List <oz-mooney at mooney.org.au>
>To: "'Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List'" <oz-mooney at mooney.org.au>
>Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] Incident Report
>Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:18:00 +1000
>
>Amazingly we spent Tuesday at Qantas museum
>While we were at an exhibit a chap came up to us and started talking
>about how the airport had changed since he was stationed there for 3
>months in the sixties
>Guess his job - Air Crash Investigater for Dept of Transport (CASA now)
>- he told me the whole story about the viscount and all the stuff ups
>that were made
>His story was ringing loudly in my head at about 19.10 pm last Tuesday
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au
>[mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of John & Lyn Kelman
>Sent: Tuesday, 18 September 2007 8:49 AM
>To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List
>Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Incident Report
>
>
>Hi Steve and all,
>
>For what it is worth, when I was a fairly new pilot in 1966, a Vickers
>Vicount had an engine fire near Winton in western Queensland. The pilot
>elected to continue on to Longreach after feathering the motor and
>trying to
>extinguish the fire. The fire burnt throught the wing and the aircraft
>crashed killing all on board. Message in the crash comic of the day. "If
>you
>have a fire on board get the thing on the ground as soon as possible.
>Even a
>forced landing in a paddock is better than trying to fly without a
>wing."
>
>You did the right thing Steve
>
>John K
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Peter Wordsworth" <peterwordsworth at gmail.com>
>To: <steve at teamtaxitrucks.com.au>; "Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation
>List" <oz-mooney at mooney.org.au>
>Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Incident Report
>
>
> > Steve & John H
> >
> > I'm not sure the smoke masks would work well at night - I used to
> > carry one in a sealed pack back years ago and it only had a shelf life
>
> > of several years. Eventually I opened the pack and was somewhat
> > disappointed: the mask took some seconds to open, unfold and don; it
> > precluded the use of a headset/mic and the visibility was poor through
>
> > the plastic. I think in the confusion and angst of a night emergency
> > it would be easy to lose control while trying to use it. Perhaps ready
>
> > access to an oxygen mask at night (particularly one which covers nose
> > and mouth and contains a mic) would be better.
> >
> > Steve, through his competence, achieved a great outcome and the story
> > is worthy of entry in the "crash comic." The stress of the situation
> > would have been enormous, particularly having to deal with radio
> > communication issues and executing an unplanned landing at night in a
> > pitch black and unfamiliar locality all the while expecting flames to
> > follow the smoke! A great job in staying focused and using all
> > available resources.
> >
> > In a sense I'm troubled by my own lack of preparation for the event
> > that Steve faced; with the benefit of considerable time to reflect, I
> > have a few suggestions: Perhaps Steve might be able to comment or add
> > to these:
> >
> > (a) At night it might be a useful idea to have your passenger carry a
> > torch (preferably on a lanyard) to assist with lighting in an
> > emergency.
> >
> > (b) It might be a good idea to highlight your track and the one degree
>
> > squares on the ERC LOW charts with a marker pen to aid in readily
> > identifying the grid lowest safe altitude in an emergency.
> >
> > (c) We might all benefit from a regular review of the emergency
> > section of our manual as the correct actions to take depend on the
> > correct identification of the problem: are the fumes/smoke from an
> > fire electrical fire, engine fire or some other source such as turbo
> > charger, exhaust or cabin heating? I've read it can be very difficult
> > in some circumstances to make a correct determination of the source of
>
> > the problem. Engine fumes have been mistaken for electrical fumes (and
>
> > vice versa) by very experienced pilots. I know one Mooney owner in the
>
> > US who has prepared a plastic laminated emergency card the similar
> > size of an approach plate with a serrated edge cut by pinking shears
> > for quick identification. A good idea, but probably not much use at
> > night if the master switch is turned off.
> >
> > (d) For an electrical fire my manual recommends initially turning the
> > Master and Alternator Field switches OFF and opening cabin ventilation
>
> > (see attached). Does this advice include opening the storm window?
> > Indeed can/should the storm window be opened above 132 Kts in an
> > emergency?
> >
> > Turning the Master switch off at night as recommended would deprive
> > the pilot of all flight instruments, most engine instruments,
> > autopilot, navigation, radio, intercom, panel lights, landing gear,
> > stall warning etc at the worst possible time. The cabin light is the
> > only one not connected to the master switch as far as I'm aware.
> >
> > As was pointed out at the first PPP I attended, our aircraft cabins
> > are very contained spaces (ie metal pipes with windows). I remember
> > flying with a friend in his Seneca some years ago: as we gained
> > altitude, a small bubble of air in the compass expanded and and fluid
> > leaked onto the hot radio stack. The resulting fumes from that small
> > source were almost incapacitating.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > On 13/09/2007, Steve Skinner <steve at teamtaxitrucks.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> YES
> >> Brigid said to me this morning "WHAT IF" and I said we would have had
>
> >> to turn transponder to emergency and go to the nearest lighted
> >> airport - probably Brisbane That would have been a potentially
> >> dangerous thing to do but there would be
> >> no possiblitity landing without lighting - certainly not Roma
> >> Brigid was not impressed with my answer.
> >> Thanks all for your feed back
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au
> >> [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of John & Lyn
> >> Kelman
> >> Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2007 8:43 AM
> >> To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List
> >> Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Incident Report
> >>
> >>
> >> Nice work Steve & Brigid
> >>
> >> Good thing that one of the radios remained working. Would have been
> >> even nastier landing at night without PAL and any coms.
> >>
> >> Nice to meet you in the Whitsundays and look forward to more flyins.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> John& Lyn
> >>
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