[Oz-mooney] Incident Report

Thu Sep 20 19:21:22 CDT 2007

This is a good thought ...

We have a welding/fabrication shop and when our guys are doing work
associated with welding fumes we sometimes need to use the disposable type.
Very light etc but can be a little limited for those with facial hair - they
don't seal around the face as well as the rubber/cartridge style.

An industrial safety shop (e.g. Protector Safety) will usually have these
(need the welding fume style with active carbon and the valve to breath out
in the front) and usually cheaper than the Bunnings and Home Hardwares of
this world.

Regards
Andrew Kotzur
Modern Engineering and Construction
"Kotzur Silos"
Ph 02 6029 4700   Fx 02 6029 2307
www.kotzur.com
-----Original Message-----
From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au
[mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Wordsworth
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2007 10:00 AM
To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List
Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Incident Report

Thanks Paul,

Well covered. I'll give AIP-GEN 3-6 a re-read.

This sort of emergency at night has not been covered so far in my IFR
training so it's been a good learning exercise (Steve did not have the
luxury of a relaxed discussion of his options!).

I was in Bunnings yesterday and saw they had disposable face masks for
around $40 for a box of 10. The brand I looked at had three levels of
protection: (1) Dust etc  (2) Dust/Mist/Vapours and (3) all the
beforementioned plus welding and soldering fumes - that caught my
attention. They have a charcoal filter + 4 year shelf life.
Unfortunately that model was not in stock but that item may be worth
considereing over a disposable smoke hood.

Cheers
Peter

On 20/09/2007, Paul Baishont <baishont at hotmail.com> wrote:
> As a few other folks have commented this has been a very useful discussion
> item.  Thanks Chris and Ned for the technical electrical details which are
> surprising.  It's an all 12V system in my old ship, but then there are
some
> other issues to consider there.
>
>
> And a few answers to below to Peter's questions that were to some extent
> answered by Steve.  I had a quick look at the ESIR database the other day.
>
> - Did you declare an emergency (or was your predicament obvious to the
> controller?).
>
> A DISTRESS PHASE was declared. Standard procedure with any mention of
'smoke
> in the cockpit' or fire.  The "declaring an emergency" is a US procedure.
> In Australia (and ICAO) the phrase PAN PAN (3 times) or MAYDAY (3 times)
> will indicate the level of urgency if you want it known there is a
problem.
> Trust me the above phrases WILL get the attention of the controller and
you
> will be given priority.  Possibly even exclusive use of the frequency.  I
> have used the phrase "all stations stop transmitting mayday" in the past.
> The EMERG section of ERSA and AIP-GEN 3-6 are a good read.
>
> Mentioning a problem like an alternator failure for example may not
> necessarily generate an emergency situation. It might generate a few extra
> questions to assess the situation.  Most controllers these days are NOT
> pilots.
>
>
> - Could the controller have arranged for the police to turn on the lights
> for you?
>
> Yes the controller can arrange for a responsible person to turn on the
> aerodrome lights. Usually someone associated with the aerodrome operator,
> possibly the police but it varies with the location.
>
> I have a CDMA phone which will work for at least a few more months and at
> 9000 feet gives me coverage over a large part of the country.  The phone
> number for Brisbane centre and Melbourne centre are programmed in and if
all
> else fails I will phone ATC.  Oh, and Alice Tower is in there as well
being
> based in Alice that could be useful.
>
> As has been commented before by others and myself, Steve made the
> appropriate calls, used available resources,  tactically managed the
> situation very well and achieved a successful outcome.
>
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Regards, Paul
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au
> [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Wordsworth
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 September 2007 9:46 AM
> To: steve at teamtaxitrucks.com.au; Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List
> Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Incident Report
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> Thanks for your further comments. You deserve great credit for the
> successful outcome. Your experience raises some big issues,
> particularly with training and execution of a forced landing at night.
>
> A couple of questions:
>
> Did you declare an emergency (or was your predicament obvious to the
> controller?).
>
> Could the controller have arranged for the police to turn on the lights
for
> you?
>
> Roughly how long was it from the time the incident occurred to when
> you were in the circuit?
>
> Was discomfort/distress from the fumes a major issue (you said the
> nasal canulas helped). I might get a mask which covers my nose and
> mouth.
>
> I checked the manual for my PS7000 audio panel. It appears to accept
> 12-33 volts without the need for a step-down resistor. Might be worth
> throwing the old one out if this is the case. I had a bad experience
> with a step down resistor for the 12V wing-tip recognition light
> overheating due to lack of heat sinking where it was installed.
>
> Cheers
> Peter
>
>
>
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