[Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!

Sun Jan 4 15:36:27 PST 2009

Im no expert  on the soft ware but I wouldn't be surprised if there were very cheap and easy ways to do it these days. 

Mark

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From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Tim Hamilton
Sent: Monday, 5 January 2009 10:32 AM
To: AMPA
Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!

Peter W, Is the man to action this.

He has the software to make this happen.

I support this idea 100%

T i m.

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From: mgkeating at bigpond.com
To: oz-mooney at mooney.org.au
Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 07:56:18 +1000

Great thought. 

John, can you get this organised  this morning please...

Michael

From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Mark Peterson
Sent: Monday, 5 January 2009 7:41 AM
To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List
Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!

 You could convert the mooney mailing list to a forum level instrument,  which would formalize various threads  and allow discrimination between aviation and friendly non aviation topics -its quite fun listening to the life experience ( even non  aviation)    of the various member

Mark Peterson

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From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael Keating
Sent: Sunday, 4 January 2009 12:56 AM
To: 'Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List'
Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!

Come on Peter, you are an active contributor to the list and your contributions are always well thought out, pertinent to the discussion and reflect your ability to get your message across for the betterment of aviation ie the recent posts about Bankstown and the safety related issues there. 

What I found most interesting about your post was the fact that you had a history in bichem. A couple of years ahead of me, on the day after his Graduation, a fellow joined one of the symphony orchestras as a violinist and has never practised a day as a doctor ie he did not even do his internship. The Krebs Cycle to the Cello is a similar leap I daresay! 

You cannot put those links on the list and expect a bunch of doctors to refrain from commenting and just because those comments give a different opinion of the article does not in anyway impugn you personally. I didn't even comment but having read the links I disagree with a number of statements (not the facts) made and outcomes implied. That does not mean I am correct though and I am sure we could have a great debate over a red but it would not mean we would walk away with any less respect for each other (unless you disagreed with me :-) )That does not mean I am sensitive, I am just applying a critical scientific eye to it in exactly the same way you would should I post something regarding musicians and or music.  Please also bear in mind that we medicos are dealing with this stuff, ie vaccines, on a daily basis and we come across some 'interesting' statements from out patients...or at least their parents esp the ones related to Iridologists and Naturopaths so we tend to go to war prepared you might say. 

Just to change the subject slightly, I have attached a photo which I feel encapsulates how my LAME thinks about my Mooney as he goes to sleep each night. It is 2MB though and may not get through the Keeper.

Michael 

From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter Rejto
Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 7:32 PM
To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List
Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!

To any of you that I offended with this post, I apologize. It isn't Mooney related, but then the discussion that led to this wasn't really either. The mention of the vaccine triggered some personal memories that I ought to have kept private. In no way do I subscribe to any sort of grand conspiracy theory, and I used the word "coincidence." I did not personally draw any conclusion, though I do have one. The fact that live SV40 was in the oral polio vaccine is not in any dispute, nor are the findings of live SV40 in certain human tumors. Whether the SV40 caused the tumors is disputed and there is evidence to support a number of positions. I personally find this interesting and I'm usually surprised that most people don't seem to know anything about this. Certainly nobody intentionally put live SV40 in those vaccines! But, obviously, had researchers known about the SV40 the vaccine would not have been released...so an inadvertent mistake was made. I think those are grounds for a reasonable discussion about the ramifications of such. I certainly in no way meant to imply that the polio vaccine wasn't a great advance towards the destruction and elimination of a horrid disease, and I in no way impugn any other vaccine towards any other disease by these comments. 

I think I am done commenting in this forum. There is certainly a lot of sensitivity that I don't care to intrude upon any longer.

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Nicholas Forgione <mailto:drnicki at iinet.net.au>  

	To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List <mailto:oz-mooney at mooney.org.au>  

	Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:22 PM

	Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!

	This type of scaremongering does little to enhance the Mooney web site. May I respectfully suggest that the point of view presented is yet another of those who believe all in the concept of a universal conspiracy theory. For the facts can I suggest www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/archive/polio_and_cancer.htm.   <http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/archive/polio_and_cancer.htm.%20 >  

	 To make this Mooney related, I suggest we all keep flying our Mooneys before  'they' cpme and get us.

	Nick Forgione

	On 03/01/2009, at 9:54 AM, Peter Rejto wrote: 

	My comment here is only tangentially related to the discussion at hand, but since Skip has mentioned the oral polio vaccine I thought I might pipe in with a story.

	----- Original Message ----- 

	From: Nicholas Forgione <mailto:drnicki at iinet.net.au>  

	To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List <mailto:oz-mooney at mooney.org.au>  

	Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:22 PM

	Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Life, Polio Vaccine, SV40, & Mooneys!

	This type of scaremongering does little to enhance the Mooney web site. May I respectfully suggest that the point of view presented is yet another of those who believe all in the concept of a universal conspiracy theory. For the facts can I suggest www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/archive/polio_and_cancer.htm.   <http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/archive/polio_and_cancer.htm.%20 >  

	 To make this Mooney related, I suggest we all keep flying our Mooneys before  'they' cpme and get us.

	Nick Forgione

	On 03/01/2009, at 9:54 AM, Peter Rejto wrote: 

	My comment here is only tangentially related to the discussion at hand, but since Skip has mentioned the oral polio vaccine I thought I might pipe in with a story.

	Back in another life I was a graduate student at Berkeley in Biochemistry (early 70s). One of my first assignments was to develop a new purification technique for influenza virus (which I did), but I asked my research director about the dangers. He said not to worry as the virus was "attenuated", but if I was concerned to work in the vacuum hood. I did, as did my colleagues...but a week later we were all quite sick with flu. If it was attenuated I would't have wanted to meet the real thing! After some months at this a new assignment came along.....something to do with SV40 (simian virus 40) which "only affects monkeys!" Shortly thereafter I left Berkeley to follow the music career path and never did work with SV40. Imagine my surprise when about 10 years later I picked up an article in a biochem journal that spoke about the first "in vitro cell transformation of human cells by SV40" i.e., if you injected the DNA of SV40 into human cells in lab conditions you could change them into cancer cells. Now it turns out that the oral polio vaccine was contaminated by live SV40 (which I understand looks just like the polio virus under an electron microscope), and this was not known until some time later. About 6 years ago I just happened to spy a New York Times article speaking about the strange coincidence of an increase in lymphoma cases, and that a certain number of these cases showed the presence of SV40. I was utterly shocked to read this and have always wondered why there wasn't more public discussion of this "coincidence!"

	Read here for even more revelations about SV40: www.sv40foundation.org <http://www.sv40foundation.org/> 

	and here: www.informedchoice.info/polio.html

	    "It has taken, for instance, approximately forty years for the scientific community to finally acknowledge that we have a serious problem as a result of the contamination of polio vaccines with simian virus 40 (SV40) in the late 1950s-early 1960s. There has been previous evidence of some human brain and other tumors containing this virus (32, 33), but the medical community has been slow to acknowledge a definitive link between SV40 and cancer in humans. However, two independent research teams have recently found this virus present in 43% of cases of non-Hodgkins lymphoma (34, 35). Another study found it present in 36% of brain tumors, 16% of healthy blood cell samples, and 22% of healthy semen samples (36). And strangely, SV40 has now been found to infect children (37). Considering that children of this era, are not supposed to be receiving the virus via the vaccine contamination route, this would therefore imply that SV40 is being transmitted from one human to another, in ways not previously known."

	To make this Mooney related, I suggest we all fly our Mooneys while we still can!

		----- Original Message -----

		From: Skip Hodgson <mailto:skiphod at ozemail.com.au> 

		To: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List <mailto:oz-mooney at mooney.org.au> 

		Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:15 AM

		Subject: Re: [Oz-mooney] More on "James Cook" VH-TJA

		Just to bring this all back to our common interest in Mooneys you could note that "Horrie Miller" of MacRobertson Miller Airways fame had a daughter named Robin Miller otherwise known as "Sugar Bird Lady".  The memorial to this nurse and her Mooney at Jandakot airport reminds us of her aviation legend and her work in distributing Sabin polio vaccine (on sugar cubes) to Aboriginal children at remote communities in outback Australia.

		Skip

		Michael Keating wrote: 

		In my former life as a Travel Agent, pre-medicine, the industry nickname for Mac Robertson Miller Airways or MMA was Mickey Mouse Airlines.

		M

		From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Tim Hamilton
		Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 7:19 AM
		To: AMPA
		Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] More on "James Cook" VH-TJA

		Yerrr Michael TAA really worked their first Boeing-727   T J A

		but the one aircraft I know was worked even harder was MacRobertsom Millier Airlines first Fokker F-27 Friendship, VH-MMS "Swan"

		Details follow - pic attached

		Arrived Perth at conclusion of delivery flight as 'VH-TFL' - December 16, 1959

		Flight crew: Capts A. Whitham (MMA Chief Pilot), S. Goddard, J. Murray; Navigator L. Thrift

		Delivered in full Mac.Robertson Miller Airlines 'Jetstream' livery

		Entered onto Australian Aircraft Register as VH-MMS - December 24, 1959

		Registered to Mac.Robertson Miller Airlines Ltd

		Operated promotional flight Perth-Port Headland-Perth - December 28, 1959

		Aircraft named 'Swan' by Mrs Shane Paltridge - December 28, 1959

		Operated its first revenue service Perth-Broome-Port Headland-Derby - December 31, 1959

		Flight crew: Capts S. Goddard, K. Beer; F/O N. Dorrington

		Aircraft was nicknamed 'The Black Duck' & later 'The Supersonic Duck' by flight crews

		It was first Friendship in the world to reach 10,000 hours

		Withdrawn from service for overhaul - September 3 to October 30, 1962

		First Friendship in the world to achieve 20,000 hours

		Ownership transferred to Ansett Transport Industries - June 8, 1969

		Registered to Ansett Transport Industries (Operations) Pty Ltd - September 29, 1969

		Withdrawn from M.M.A. service having flown 41,048 hours - January 1972

		Transferred to Airlines of South Australia - January 1972

		Transferred to Ansett Airlines of Australia - February 1972

		Leased to M.M.A. to cover maintenance of F.28s - July 8 to August 5, 1977

		Ferried Perth-Adelaide on return to Airlines of South Australia - August 6, 1977

		Leased to Ansett Airlines of New South Wales - May 26, 1979 to March 1, 1980

		Operated inaugural Air N.S.W. Sydney-Albury-Melbourne service - May 4, 1983

		Logged the highest hours flown by any Australian registered Friendship - April 1984

		Had flown 62,817 hours with 57,170 cycles

		Withdrawn from service for repainting into new Ansett 'Southern Cross' livery - November 1984

		Operated its final Ansett service WX865 Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne (Capt L. Campbell) - October 19, 1987

		Flown to Melbourne's Essendon Airport and stored - 69,982 hours / 64,393 cycles

		Estimated to have carried 1,854, 518 passengers during its career

		Flown Essendon-Tullamarine for storage - January 25, 1989

		Leased to Air Cruising for a Pacific Islands tour - May 6 - 22, 1991

		Cancelled from Australian Aircraft Register - December 6, 1991

		Sold to Transpacific Enterprises Inc - December 13, 1991

		Departed Melbourne on delivery flight to Peru as OB-1454 in an an all-white livery - December 13, 1991

		Ferry route: Melboure-Alice Springs-Broome-Denpasar-Seoul-Bangkok-Calcutta-Delhi-Karachi-

		Bahrain-Jeddah-Cairo-Athens-Milano-Preswick-Reykjavik-Sondrestromfjord-Goose Bay-

		Philadelphia-Miami-Panama City-Guayaquil-Lima

		Arrived Lima, Peru at conclusion of delivery flight - December 24, 1991

		Flight crew: Capt D. Alidga; F/O M. Perochena (son of owner); Engineer J. Falconi

		Leased to Expresso Aero SA - December 31, 1991 to February 23, 1994

		Aircraft was named 'Salcantay'

		Returned to Transpacific Enterprises Inc - October 1993

		Ferried to Santiago, Chile for storage - August 3, 1994

		Cannibalised for parts - but still relatively intact as of 2003

		Had flown 72,020 hours and 69,478 cycles

		Aircraft such as this and TJA need to be part of an Australian aviation museum !!!!

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		From: mgkeating at bigpond.com
		To: oz-mooney at mooney.org.au
		Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] More on "James Cook" VH-TJA
		Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:44:43 +1000

		Thanks Tim,

		Maybe I don't need to worry about MYV having flown 2700 hrs in 30 yrs compared to TJA with 37,000 hrs...

		Michael

		From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Tim Hamilton
		Sent: Thursday, 1 January 2009 7:06 AM
		To: AMPA
		Subject: [Oz-mooney] More on "James Cook" VH-TJA

		VH-TJA. Boeing 727-76

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Construction completed at Boeing's Renton plant - July 24, 1964

First flown - August 25, 1964

Entered onto the Australian Aircraft Register as VH-TJA - September 1, 1964

Arrived Melbourne at conclusion of delivery flight - October 16, 1964

Delivery route: Seattle-San Francisco-Honolulu-Canton Island-Nadi

Flight crew: Capt. D. A. Winch, Capt. K. J. Fox

Aircraft was named 'James Cook'

Entered T.A.A. service as TN534 Melbourne-Sydney - November 2, 1964

Involved in collision with CP Air DC-8 on take-off from Sydney Airport - January 29, 1971

Repaired and returned to service - April 10, 1971

Operated its final Trans-Australia revenue service - February 14, 1976

Withdrawn from use and stored at Melbourne's Tullamarine Airport

Had flown 37,643 hours and 28,013 cycles

Sold to International Air Leases - October 7, 1976

Departed Melbourne on delivery flight - November 11, 1976

Cancelled from the Australian Aircraft Register - November 19, 1976

Leased to Air Florida - becoming N91891 - December 13, 1976

Aircraft was reregistered N40AF - January 16, 1977

Returned to International Air Leases - July 1977

Sold to Continental Airlines - becoming N18480 - July 19, 1977

Was withdrawn from service and stored at Mojave - July 19, 1991

Aircraft scrapped - August 1993

Cancelled from the U.S. Aircraft Register - October 8, 1996

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