[Oz-mooney] RE:Scarebus

Sat Jan 17 12:55:17 PST 2009

Gina, 

If you had choosen participated in any of the AMPA Fly In's during the last two years I would of had the pleasure of meeting you, as I organise them.

As you haven’t, I and the other members of AMPA have "missed out" meeting you or re-acquainting ourselves, with you.

To be honest I haven’t even benefited from you input on this e mail list or any other way at all during your membership of AMPA.

With the above taken into account, I missed you when making my statement ref female Mooney owner pilots that are members of AMPA and for that I apologise.

Perhaps in the future you may be more active in AMPA events and AMPA generally, so everyone knows you :-)

Look forward to meeting you in person one day 

T i m Hamilton.

From: gina at wrpm.com.auTo: oz-mooney at mooney.org.auSubject: RE: [Oz-mooney] RE:ScarebusDate: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:31:23 +0900

Tim…I thought I was a lady last I checked……………..Yahooooooooooo

From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Mark PetersonSent: Saturday, 17 January 2009 7:28 AMTo: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation ListSubject: RE: [Oz-mooney] RE:Scarebus

Floats better than it flies
Mark

From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Michael KeatingSent: Friday, 16 January 2009 6:21 PMTo: 'Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation List'Subject: [Oz-mooney] RE:Scarebus

I see the A320 works well as a tinnie….
Not a bad effort really. CNN had good coverage early this morning

Michael

From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of John WebberSent: Friday, 16 January 2009 4:31 PMTo: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation ListSubject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Nancy - Bird, a remarkable woman.

Tim, we have a lady in Adelaide, and another in Perth

John W

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tim Hamilton 

To: AMPA 

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:08 PM

Subject: [Oz-mooney] Nancy - Bird, a remarkable woman.

These 4 part videos provide a facilitating insight into this remarkable woman.

http://www.australianbiography.gov.au/subjects/birdwalton/interview1.html

It's a pity we don’t have any female AMPA owner/pilots. I know at one time there was a move within AMPA for the partners of AMPA members to become pilots, not sure where this went, if anywhere.

Nancy-Birds spirit lives on in many areas of aviation.

T i m Hamilton.

From: mainbeachtim at hotmail.comTo: oz-mooney at mooney.org.auSubject: Nancy - Bird WaltonDate: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:37:37 +0000 
" Sad to hear of the death of Nancy Bird Walton – we have lost a link to the golden age of aviation" 

So Very True Andrew !!

Along with Kingsford Smith, Bert Hinkler and visionary - John Flynn, Nancy-Bird's name is synonymous with Australia's aviation history."

A Lady of Substance, Grit, Determination. 

Her enthusiasm and zest for aviation was inspirational.

She pioneered an air ambulance service in outback NSW (2 years prior to RFDS being foundered) and was founder and long-time president of the Australian Women Pilots' Association. She was named a national living treasure in 1997 and her place in Australian aviation history was recognised last year when Qantas named its first Airbus A380 after her - “Nancy-Bird Walton.

Lots of blue sky’s and smooth flying Nancy-Bird, we will all remember you.

T i m Hamilton
AMPA Fly In Coordinator
& Director.

From: Andrew at kotzur.comTo: oz-mooney at mooney.org.auDate: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:51:25 +1100Subject: RE: [Oz-mooney] Hypoxia Risks in Aviation

Peter/Michael .... Tell us more about the CO Guardian – where do you get them, how do they work, what do they take to install, what is the ongoing maintenance.

Sad to hear of the death of Nancy Bird Walton – we have lost a link to the golden age of aviation!

Regards,

Andrew Kotzur
Modern Engineering and Construction
Ph ++ 61 (0) 2 6029 4700
Fx ++ 61 (0) 2 6029 2307
www.kotzur.com

From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au [mailto:oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au] On Behalf Of Peter WordsworthSent: Wednesday, 14 January 2009 1:26 AMTo: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation ListSubject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Hypoxia Risks in Aviation

Not sure if this has been covered, but in addition to smokers giving a false high reading, any CO in the cockpit from the exhaust does the same thing - it is smart to have a CO detector for high altitude flight. (I have a $5 button which is going to get the flick and a new $400 CO guardian installed)Saw a program on heart surgery tonight on foxtel and at one stage the presenter showed what happened  to his O2 sats when he held his breath for 90 seconds: he was blue in the face and in severe distress and not far from unconscious - and achieved a low of 77%. I've seen that exact figure achived in flight at 14K and the pax was not well, but not in distress.Also, the risk of decompression sickness, particularly from extended periods above 18K, is significant.CheersPeter

2009/1/12 Mark Peterson <MPeterson at baysurgery.com.au>
I agree with skip and michael about those sats- I'm  new to aviation and dont fly above 8,500 as yet, but Ive dealt with a lot of hypoxic folks in my time - suggest no fly plane if sats below .....mmm  about 92-3 at worst  - thats about the level we admit folks to hospital  when they have pneumonia and when an asute observer might notice cognitive alteration- but  I havent taken an oximeter up yet to check for myself - Will do this wednesday en route to Canberra, and I hope i dont get a rude shock about O2 sat at non oxygen altitudes. As for cyanosis ( observable darkening of lips and nail folds)- Ive spent a lot of time looking for it and  its very subtle to the untrained eye and initially noticeable to me in sats only  in the high 80's. The two main things are that 1. One may not  know one is hypoxic - it feels just fine to some people .  Deaths ( and  a famous court case in the Hunter) have occured in medical care,  from hypoxic patients being mistakenly treated for mood elevation - reminds me of the latter stages of the Thirty Mile Hope in Tomkinson's School Days for affecionados of Ripping Yarns.  Note the famous case of entire cabin crew in the accident in Greece a few years ago - none of them even considered they might be hypoxic until very ( too) late in the piece. Some mistaken types even enjoy it. 2 . The carboxyhaemoglobin dissociation curve is logarithmic not linear, and  takes a rapid plummet in the low 80's so one is  kind of  moving towards a precipice once one departs  sats in the 90's unless you have chronically adjusted to it by virtue of a  longstanding disease state. If one is usuing the recommended o2 flow and still not gettting sats in the mid 90's you'd want to know why - ? lung disease such as emphysema with a gas transfer problem .The other point is that o2 sat monitors are probably more unreliable than any other measurement in an aviation cockpit. They read falsely for a whole host of reasons such as temperature and moisture  and perfusion changes on the skin, so a 02 standard that included a buffer for all sorts of reasons might be wise.Sorry about the doom and gloom, but its been a fascinating thread  and i file away a lot of the answers  for future referenceMark________________________________From: oz-mooney-bounces at mooney.org.au on behalf of Chris PlumsteadSent: Fri 1/9/2009 11:40 PMTo: Australian Mooney Pilots Assocation ListSubject: Re: [Oz-mooney] Hypoxia Risks in Aviation

this what we  train Korean Airline pilots to be aware of,RISK/ERROR  management and Situational Awarness ,however it is no more relevent to them than US,that is why I feel so cautius about us all launching off to the F/L 'sOn Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Skip Hodgson <skiphod at ozemail.com.au> wrote:       As this seems to be turning into a clinical workshop I would like to put in my two cents worth of observations from 35 years of hanging around Intensive Care Units.       The symptoms, signs and risks of hypoxia at altitude are almost invariably written in the context of military or extreme sport experience.  As a result they never mention, or always explicitly exclude, subjects with coronary artery disease (CAD).  The Airforce and FAA testing material I can locate specifically tests on subjects between the ages of 20 and 50.  It is common knowledge that CAD often exhibits no signs until the last minute.  Anyone over 50 or 55 can assume he has it until proven otherwise.       There is not space here to describe the entire disease but the heart muscle has the highest oxygen extraction rate of any tissue in the body.  It is "normally" running with very little spare capacity for oxygen supply.  The only option it has under stress is to increase the flow of blood to the muscle and with CAD this is not possible.       When the oxygen supply to the muscle runs out the heart cells begin to contract and fire off electrical signals more or less randomly.  This varies from unnoticeable to severe and life-threatening.  The whole business is just random (like Russian roulette) and what happens one day may not happen the next etc.  Also the irregularity which develops may be a minor nuisance one day and fatal the next.  We see this all the time in the ICU if hypoxia develops but it is generally easily corrected.  In the air it would be fatal.  Thus, to the signs which have already been listed such as "stupidity" etc. you should also add "sudden death".       The bottom line is:  If you are over 55, have not had your coronary arteries studied and are intentionally letting your SpO2 fall to 85% or below you are dicing with death.  It doesn't matter that you have done it 100 times before and not died.  This says nothing about the risk of doing it again tomorrow.       I don't advise it.       Skip       _______________________________________________       oz-mooney mailing list       oz-mooney at mooney.org.au       http://lists.mooney.org.au/mailman/listinfo/oz-mooney
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